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How id Software betrayed us all

id Software betrayed us and I demand justice. I demand Shamblers. Nay! I demand … Super Shamblers!


Dude, Where’s My Shambler?


After a little digging, I discovered a few interesting things about Q1. These are repeated in one of my comments, but I thought it relevant for the article itself.

After Commander Keen, the id team wanted to make a relaxed fantasy RPG starring a hero named Quake. Quake was John Romero’s D&D character. He was to carry a thunderhammer and a soul cube and fight dragons. Below is a very early screenshot.


I also dug up some gossip regarding Romero’s separation from id:

Basically, he was faced with the decision to either leave, or be fired on the spot.

This is due in no small part to his complete lack of direction for Quake, leading his team in circles, hence game delays, and of course a design that was nowhere close to the road to success. (wow, what a run-on sentence)

To add to that, instead of doing his job with Quake (right up until crunch-time) he was out producing titles like Heretic and Hexen.

This was pulled directly from an ancient thread on the still-functioning Just gossip, but it makes sense. He was very into the fantasy RPG aspects of gaming, if Hexen and Heretic are evidence enough. It seems like it may well have been Romero’s influence that brought the fantasy elements to Quake in the first place. Presumably the rest of the id team was not into it and thus opted for a more futuristic theme. Still. I think they messed up what would have been an amazing legacy.


Okay, look.

I don’t typically see blogging as a platform for ranting. I don’t like to rant. It’s childish and ineffective. And really, I’ll try to avoid it here. But what I’m about to say has been bothering me for twenty years, so consider yourself warned if I do get ranty. But I just feel like id Software owes us something.

The Doom treatment

First, let me say I love the Doom franchise, and I think id has treated it very well, focusing on great single-player experiences. The first PC game I ever played was Doom. It changed my life. Let me make a sidebar about it:

How I met Doom: a love story

So get this:

We were at Wal-Mart, shopping. Being a bored nerd in a smallish town, I had little time for groceries. I preferred instead to hang out in the electronics section, playing whatever games were being demoed or looking for alternative rock cassettes in little cardboard sleeves. Remember that?

Back then, newfangled Windows 3.1 computers and electric typewriters were sold side by side. They were on display, plugged in, turned on and loaded with gems like Minesweeper and Chip’s Challenge to awe browsers with their amazing technology.

Imagine the joy I felt when I discovered that some feisty Wal-Mart employee had taken the liberty of installing Doom on one of the machines.

I’d never seen anything like it. It was completely unexpected. The amazing graphics and the first-person, 3d perspective created an unprecedented VR experience that transported me away from dingy Wal-Mart to the very shores of Hell. It was something different. Something bloody and frightening!

You are here.

And so I was hooked. Still am.

I got Doom 64 for the Nintendo 64, but it didn’t feel right. (Over 20 years later, I still won’t play FPSs with a controller.) It wasn’t until – what? 1995? When my dad finally got a family computer.

The first game I bought was the (extremely hackable) Quake shareware disc. (Anybody remember that? It had id’s complete works and could be easily hacked to unlock all of it. Not that I ever did. 😉

This thing was a penny. Or a dollar? And whatever you do, dont hack it!

And then I played Quake! Oh how I played!

For me, Quake One is the pinnacle of shooters. Perhaps the pinnacle of PC gaming. Since the moment I booted up the game and heard Trent Reznor’s intense soundtrack, since the moment I encountered my first ogre and emptied a nail gun into his back, from the moment I realized I couldn’t fire a lighting gun in the water, every gaming moment has been a mindless chase to recapture that first exhilaration.

No game before and no game since has quite got the formula right.

Quake offers the perfect balance of weaponry, monsters, ambiance and map design. The grenade launcher set the precedent for bouncing weaponry in shooters! id, in their prime, invented the rocket jump. What else? I’m so sure many modern shooter staples have their roots in the original Quake.

So I could say I’m a fan, but that would be a gross understatement. There’s no other game that I’ve enjoyed for over twenty years like Quake. Even Super Mario 3 has gotten old and gross. Quake, with its seemingly ustoppable mod community, continues to offer new stuff. is my current favorite website. So much to offer!

Quake II = sad face 🙁

Quake II was another milestone in my life. It was the first game I bought, as soon as it was released, with money I earned from an actual job (waiting tables at IHOP if you must know.) I got it at Best Buy, brought the oversized box home (why were the boxes so big?), unwrapped it with quaking hands and installed it. My excitement was palpable. I thought I might poop myself.

eirik hafskjold
Anyone else miss giant software boxes? Image provided by Eirik Hafskjold. Whoever that is.


I was prepared to revisit the haunting and unique, Lovecraftian realms of Quake. What would the new game offer? Super Shamblers? Mega Fiends? How much more eviscerated could I get?

Spoiler alert

There were no f****** Shamblers in Quake II, super or otherwise.

No fiends, no scrags. No vores. None of those little bouncing blue things that explode (hate them so much).

What happened? Where’s my Quake?

Instead of otherworldy elder beasts and eldritch beings, there were cyborgs. F****** cyborgs!?

How do you go from the unique and haunting Elder Realms, to cyborgs?

Okay, okay so I’m ranting. Sorry.

Not Quake.



Look, after Quake came out, it was THE game to beat.

Some clones were produced, but none of them seemed to bother with the kind of eldritch theme or brooding ambiance. I remember seeing a two-page ad in PC Gamer for the newest “Quake-Killler,” a game called Unreal. And of all the games that came anywhere near Quake’s greatness, Unreal was the best.

Unreal captured the same kind of desolate darkness we enjoyed in Quake. It was a very different (and excellent) game experience from Quake, but it managed to create a similar dark and wistful ambiance.

So cute and cuddly. No wonder people love shamblers.

And you know what else? Unreal never got a proper sequel either! And don’t get me wrong, Unreal Tournament is an incredible franchise, but Unreal 2 was a disappointment to us all.

I digress. The deal is, id set the bar for FPS games, and they were the only ones who could have out-Quaked Quake. But they didn’t. They made some other game.

Quake spawned countless mods and expansions. It still does, 20 years later. It was that good! It sold brilliantly! It is still a god among games. People love shamblers.

So why the hell won’t id give us what we want? Why do they leave single player experiences to Doom and keep Quake strictly multiplayer? And why does the iconic Shambler not get another chance to destroy me? Do you think the paying public would be disappointed with a return to the original theme? Hell naw! Would you? Do you really prefer Strogg to shamblers? Feel free to comment.

I need to wrap this up.

When the 2016 Doom came out, we all sort of knew Quake would be next. Quake Champions is still a bit mystery, but the name sounds very much like an arena shooter.

And yet, I dare to dream.

Might id create a fun and engrossing single-player experience? Please? Lovecraft is hot right now! Nerds love it. There’s no better time to bring back those original, eldritch beasts from nether realms. id! You owe it to us!

Quake is still being played and modded, 20 years later. Does anyone still play Quake 4? Hell no! Cyborgs are stupid!

I demand justice. I demand Shamblers. Nay! I demand … Super Shamblers!

How Quake II should have looked.



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  1. For me, I started with Quake II. So that is where my fond childhood memories lay. Finding all the secrets with my brother was awesome. The entire game was just great.

    Sixteen years later and I bought Quake I on Steam. Wow, I was shocked to find that I was playing a completely different game. I mean, it felt like Quake II (the combat mechanics) but the entire premise of the game was different. So I can understand your rage for the change of setting, but I still prefer Quake II.

    1. Don’t get me wrong. Quake II is bad ass in terms of gameplay, level design, weapons, graphics, effects and basically everything. But what really burned me is how they totally rebooted the environment and monsters. Just picture Quake II but the textures are swapped for dark metal and glyphs and the monsters are fiends and Super Shamblers.

      Seriously, is there a mod like that? Gotta be.

    1. Technologically? Definitely.
      Level design? Arguable.
      Memorable enemies? No way.
      Ambience? Absolutely not.
      Shamblers? Hell no.

      Quake II > Quake in one way.

      Actually, I think what made Quake cool was it’s lack of direction from Romero. I have always loved the way the map themes progress from base, castle, runic and whatever else. Turns out, while the team toiled away undirected and without communication, they all made different-looking maps.

      I think the result was a very happy accident that will never be achieved again. However, I do wish id would rehash some of the iconic monsters from Q1. And some of the runic (American McGee) goodness. And a kickass single player campaign in a Quake world. Maybe another superfan will make me a Quake mod like Shambler’s Castle –> So rad.

    2. Quake II also sucks for speedrunning, in a comparative way. It also has more backtracking, a boring premise (which is worse than a lack of premise), and more realistic military-style architecture which is exactly what they ditched when making Doom and Quake.

      I’ll give it the soundtrack though: personally got used to playing both without it initially, and couldn’t really get into Trent’s music though I’ve been a NIN fan otherwise, whereas Q2 onwards have had stellar and stylistically consistent music. Sound EFFECTS are another point in favor of Quake though, but I’ll admit I can’t remember a lot of effects from Q2 (which could be read as confirming this).

      1. Right on. I personally prefer Q1 and Doom music, finding the later soundtracks to cheesy, generic metal. But that’s just personal taste.

        Level design isn’t too bad but yes, the arbitrary backtracking is tiresome and adds needless legwork.

  2. Thank you for writing to this. You summed up my unrequited wish of 20 years for id Software. Why do you think the Lovecraft ceased? Was it the loss of Romero?

    1. What a relief someone else feels the same. I haven’t been able to solve the mystery. I actually just put the question to Romero himself via his personal blog. We’ll see if he responds.

    2. Here’s something interesting I learned:

      “Quake” was the name of John Romero’s D&D character, dating back to Commander Keen and Wolfenstein. The original concept for Quake was to be a relaxed RPG with fantasy weapons and magic instead of guns. One old, old screenshot even shows a dragon.

      Quake was originally to be the hero of the game, carry a thunderhammer (like the thunderhammer from Quake Mission Pack 1) and a cube that sucked the souls from his fallen enemies, spoke to him and possibly allowed him to manipulate time (like the soul cube from Doom 3).

      But the id team, exhausted after all the Dooms they had created and the intense work that went into creating the Quake engine, opted instead to create a less epic, more frenetic shooter. And I’m so glad they did.

      Anyway, yeah. Maybe Romero’s departure was the reason Quake II was so completely different. Quake was literally his character.

  3. Don’t get me wrong: Quake ii was great. It just wasn’t Quake. It was a completely different franchise. I don’t understand why they completely ditched the original, successful concept.

  4. Come on man, Quake II was excellent in his own right.
    Don’t get me wrong, I too want a proper sequel to Quake, but Quake II was great IMO

    Quake 3 has nothing to do with neither but is an excellent and fun arena shooter, and Quake 4 it was fun, but forgettable, I hated the ending.

    I bet that Quake 5 will be called “Quake” again, just like they did with doom.

  5. “eviscerated ”
    You keep using that word, but I don’t think you know what it means.
    Let me clarify:
    Eviscerated means disemboweled.

    It specifically means to remove the contents of, in a quite literal fashion at that – so unless your organs had been physically removed at the time you cannot possibly be using the word any more incorrectly (well, you probably could if you tried – but you get the point)

    I mean seriously, how much more disemboweled could you have gotten? Given that you’re writing this I’d say a whole lot, I’d say that with high probability every last one of your important organs were indeed still inside your likely structurally uncompromising flesh-shell (as opposed to a flesh-shell that had gone a round with a shambler, it would be structurally unsound and the poor sod whom was once that flesh-shell would most definitely be completely and utterly eviscerated but that’s another story entirely).

    Aside from correcting your very incorrect use of that word I agree with the article in general, shamblers are awesome.

        1. Thanks for the feedback?
          Spelling, grammar and English usage notwithstanding, you probably remember the Q1 death message “Player got eviscerated by a fiend”?
          Okay, so I’ve been eviscerated by thousands of fiends. Plenty eviscerated. Cool? You seemed upset, so I just wanted to clarify.
          Anyway, thanks for reading.

          1. oh yeah, sorry about that – it got a bit ranty I suppose.

            Anyway, yes you have indeed been plenty eviscerated by fiends… but then the answer is still “plenty” in that there is a virtually infinite amount of fiends left that can still eviscerate you 😉 no matter, only slightly upset by your virtual evisceration of the English language but it’s cool, seems the entire industry uses the word wrong so I’m fighting a losing battle anyway.

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